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| === Unfinished Business ===
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| | Text = None of the themed markers for this update have been found - if there is a theme this time. Last month we had 5 themed and 5 not. Looking at the list of unused titles added in Shifting Tactics, the following could be themes to look for:
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| # Daredevil - Hard to reach places that require difficult jumps or are surrounded by creatures. Or evil/shadowy places, focusing on the "devil"
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| # Spelunker - underground in caves/dungeons
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| # Party Goer - Festival grounds/festival stones/casinos/chess/mini games
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| # Crater Crasher - crater sites - old shadow spire locations, the major volcanos, OP, all the craters in the south direlands
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| --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 13:59, 11 February 2009 (CST)
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| | Text = Update: I was able to locate the slaughterhouse and saadia's retreat locations using the MakeMeAMap program. I do not see any other landscape locations using this method. Now, last month, 3 of the locations evaded detection from cell.dat cracks - perhaps turbine has found out what caused this and is able to reproduce it. Or perhaps it merely happened again by coincidence. | | | Text = The Markers are now sorted by the patch they were introduced. I did a grouping by location and a first attempt to find a more efficient route to grab m all (found here: [[User:Sanddh/Sandbox#Dereth Exploration Markers Efficient Route]]), and would like to put it on this page so others can work on it. The article is already very very long, anyone got any ideas how to integrate the two ways of presenting all the Markers? --[[User:Sanddh|Sanddh]] 02:48, November 20, 2009 (CET) |
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| My thoughts are that this month the theme is underground - that is, dungeons. I would guess there is still 1 landscape marker, but it is not being picked up by the mapping program. I have an idea on what dungeons to check. The location near Plateau village is where one buys the key used in the Inner Dungeon near Plateau. And another location is outside Saadia's Retreat. Both the Inner Dungeon and Saadia's Retreat are dungeons from the Explorer/Walking Boots quest. It may be a good idea to check the 20 alloy piece dungeons. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 15:54, 11 February 2009 (CST)<br><br>edit: I updated the [[Undead Mechanic (Quest)]] with a location map + dungeon map links --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 16:23, 11 February 2009 (CST)
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| | Text = I just finished my check of the alloy dungeons. After thoroughly exploring all 20 dungeons I did not find any explorer markers. The good news is I have all the alloy pieces and can finish the guide for the undead mechanic quest. The bad news is I am unsure of where to check next. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 21:22, 13 February 2009 (CST) | | | Text = I suggest that we place your guide at [[Dereth Exploration/Markers by Efficiency]] or some other appropriate title, and we move the current listing to [[Dereth Exploration/Markers by Month]]. Then we place links to both in the walk through --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 16:08, November 20, 2009 (UTC) |
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| | Text = I found the 6th marker, and it did not belong to a set. I would guess that the remaining 4 do not belong to a set either. I'm going to stop searching by theme now. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 19:37, 14 February 2009 (CST)
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| ==== Unfinished Business Checked Locations ====
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| '''Towns:'''
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| * Ayan Baqur
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| * Bandit Castle
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| * Candeth Keep
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| * Cragstone
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| * Crater Village
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| * Kor-Gusha
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| * Qalaba'r
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| * Sanamar & Royal Hall
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| * Sawato
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| * Timaru
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| * Tou-Tou
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| * Mountain Retreat
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| * New Yanshi
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| * Old Yanshi
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| * Wai Jhou
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| * Zaikhal
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| '''POIs:'''
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| * Abandoned Arena, outside (ruins at Colosseum)
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| * Abandoned Observatory (Near Candeth Keep)
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| * Advocate/Sentinel statues - Cragstone
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| * Aerlinthe: Inner and outer coastline, Lighthouses, Undead Town, Tent, etc. Not crater & inner island structures
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Aerlinthe: all 7 craters/calderas
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Daredevil)</font></b> Altars of Bael'Zharon: Old Talisman
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| * Anadil's Tomb (D Note portal)
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| * Banderling Fortress (Camping Mastery Chest Fort)
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| * Banderling Camp (Fire Spear - near camping mastery fort)
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| * Banderling/Tumerok Tree Fort
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| * Black Hill
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Caulcano (center of Caul)
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| * Chalicmere Castle
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| * Chapel Blackspire
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Cragstone fallen shadow spire (both sections)
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Crater Caldera
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Crater Caves dungeon (Outside)
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| * Destroyed settlement, 19.8N, 3.2W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Direland Rats Cave
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| * Direlands Desert Edge portal drop
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| * Eastham Beach POIs - 2 beach houses, dock, campfire, lumberjack camp, archmage building, twin portal bunker
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| * Empyrean Power Station
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| * Enchanter's Hideout (SoCS NPC building)
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Party Goer)</font></b> Festival Grounds: Yanshi
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Party Goer)</font></b> Festival Stones: Yanshi
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Gaerlan's Fallen Citadel (exterior of crater only)
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| * Ithaenc Cathedral
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| * Leikotha's Crypt
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| * Menhir Rings Marescent Plateau (all 5)
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| * Mite Bunker, 41.4N, 19.8W (tiofor woods)
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| * <b><font color=red>(Theme:Crater Crasher)</font></b> Mount Lethe (outside area)
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| * Nuhmudira's Mansion
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| * Renegade Camp, 17.1N, 4.8W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Riverbend Tower
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| * <b><font color=red>(Themes:Crater Crasher, Daredevil)</font></b> Shadow March (blackened lands north of Teth)
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| * <b><font color=red>(Themes:Crater Crasher, Daredevil)</font></b> Shadowspire Craters: Eastham, Cragstone, Arwic (3), Heartland, North Dires
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| * Small Black Hill
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| * Suntik Village/Zaikhal North Area - minor POIs between Zaik, Suntik, and Halls of the Helm checked.
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| * Tumerok Fort, 10.5N, 68.8W (near teth)
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| * Undead Gharu'ndim Village, 19.8N, 3.2W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Undead Mechanic
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| * Viamontian Camp, 5.9N, 69.1W (near teth)
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| * Wilderness Fortress, 23.5N, 7.7W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Wilderness Fortress, 22.5N, 10.5W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Wilderness Fortress, 34.9N, 17.8W (NW of Zaikhal)
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| * Wood Golem Gathering+lifestone, 41.1N, 18.7W (tiofor woods)
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| '''Dungeons:'''
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| * A Cave (Eastham)
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| * Adventurer's Haven
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| * Bone Lair
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| * Crater Caves
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| * Crypt of Ashen Tears
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| * Dungeon Nye
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| * Dungeon of Tatters
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| * Eastham Sewer
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| * Empyrean Garrison
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| * Enkindled Souls
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| * Filo's Doom
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| * Glenden Wood Dungeon
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| * Inner Dungeon
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| * Lakeside Lair
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| * Lost Garden Ruins
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| * Mount Naipenset
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| * Mountain Keep
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| * Nuhmudira's Dungeon (at mansion)
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| * Old Mine
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| * Phyntos Menace
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| * Saadia's Retreat
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| * Seaside Lair
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| * Simple Tower
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| * Small Ice Cave
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| * Smuggler's Hideaway
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| * Thieve's Den
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| * Tomb of the Dead
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| * Trothyr's Rest
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| === Shifting Tactics ===
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| ==== Discussion ====
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| Update: I've ran a Cell.dat converter and MakeMeAMap, and I do not see any new changes on the landscape - this is after I had already visited the 7 locations. I know its "cheating", but I think the ACVault staff did the same thing - that would explain why they had the first 7 listed so quickly but have made no progress since then. Regardless, I do not think there are any more markers left to be found on the surface - I think the remaining 3 are underground. One thing I am unsure of, though, is if the inside of bunkers, houses, and such are located within the same landblock as their outside structure. If not, the 3 remaining markers could be inside landscape POIs --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 15:12, 13 January 2009 (CST)
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| : scratch that, I just tried the same thing on a fresh copy of this month's cell.dat from my laptop, and I do not see any landscape changes on that one either. So the remaining two can be outside. --[[User:An Adventurer|An Adventurer]] 15:54, 13 January 2009 (CST)
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| The NPC talks about themes, I guess this month's theme is mountain climbing. The question is, how many markers are themed.. since there are 5 mountain climb markers found, and 4, well, I can't really see a theme in it? Been running around between Baishi and Q'al, haven't found anything, but well, Alinco doesn't pick them up, GoArrow's find-function only when you are really near, and they are harder to spot than the gift boxes of last patch. So I do wonder how 8 of them popped up relatively quickly on AC Vault? And how was the 9th found? Please help a by now rather frustrated explorer :) -- [[User:Sanddh|Sanddh]] 14:30, 14 January 2009 (CET)
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| : The ninth marker was found by a player on Leafcull, who announced it on general chat and then I added it to the wiki. Another player had been asking if anyone had checked Linvak, so I guess somebody finally did check. --[[User:Widgeon|Widgeon]] 03:10, 15 January 2009 (CST)
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| @Sanddh, they used the graphac/mapac as well. It shows the landblock changes for most of the markers. -- [[User:Quanta|Quanta]] 15:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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| : Strange then, that at least the Linvak did not show up that way... or one of the others, if I understand Adventurer right. Since until now, all Markers have been on the surface. And for the second theme, if any, if the Dryreach hadn't been there, I would have thought it being "water", since the Holt, the Lake one and the Obsidian Spawn are all near water. But alas... Dryreach is quite, well.. dry. However, I will give it a try, and my next project will be running along River Prosper from beginning to end I guess..... -- [[User:Sanddh|Sanddh]] 21:25, 14 January 2009 (CET)
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| My guestimation is that there are 5 mountain climber markers and 5 "miscllaneous" markers. I have no justification for this, other than that it's symmetrical. There have been two markers in the north mountains, two in the south, one in the n dires mountains, and the other markers in north/central Osteth. <redacted, don't want to lead people down a possibly incorrect path> -- [[User:Quanta|Quanta]] 12:38, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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| Has anyone searched the southern landbridge? I looked on the isle of tears and in some of the desert mountains... --[[User:Belwyvair|Belwyvair]] 18:29, 14 January 2009 (CST)
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| : Possibly, but I find it interesting that SPD says to look "on, above and below Dereth." Taken literally, this would mean that there are markers either below sea level or in dungeons. So, the remaining marker could fit into the "below" category, or the NPC may just be referring to markers to come in future months. -- [[User:Quanta|Quanta]] 23:45, 14 January 2009 (EST)
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| :: Interesting idea, also because the new titles in the patch tree, which unfortunately don't have any further references, indicate this above (Mountain Climber, Sky Diver) and below (Spelunker). But the Mountain Climber Markers give a special message, the other ones do not, so I guess they are "theme-less". Anyone tested other "almost unclimbable" Mountains? Such as Caul, Obsidian Rim, and VoD?-- [[User:Sanddh|Sanddh]] 7:01, 15 January 2009 (CET)
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| ::: Great point. So are we ruling out sky diver and spelunker as future titles, and that the remaining marker is likely part of the mountain climber series? I spent last night running around the Alphus Range (Mt. Alphus, Mt. Syliph, etc) and ran from my house by the yaraq hall of metos up to al-jalima. Then I ran around in the Tiofor Woods which seems to be below sea level. Tonight I will run from Samsur to Uziz to Khayyaban. --[[User:Belwyvair|Belwyvair]] 09:47, 15 January 2009 (CST)
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| Has anyone been able to tie this rumor from Ulgrim to a marker, if not it could be a clue to the last one:
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| Ulgrim the Unpleasant tells you, "Oh yeah, I saw Speedy Sean coming through here, marking targets for his map quest. I'll let you in on a secret, since you were so obliging with this mug of stout. He marked the back of Claude's mask. Yep, you're going to have to scalp that old trickster to finish the task." --[[User:Bjorny|Bjorny]] 22:44, 15 January 2009 (GMT)
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| : Also this one: 17:36:07 Ulgrim the Unpleasant tells you, "The Dereth Explorers Society is marking the island for map-toting adventurers, eh? I've marked parts of Dereth, too. I figure old Berkholt's stout has seen most of this island, one way or the other." --I checked Berkholt out for rumors, and one of the old rumors for the Strange Swamp Temple says "For those of an adventurous mind. I have been asked to explore a new structure found in the Direland Swamps. I am told that it lies somewhere near 41.5s, 49.5w. I will have set an Explorer Society Marker at this location if you wish to follow in my footsteps." --I ran around and to those coords, but just found old quest material. No marker.--[[User:Belwyvair|Belwyvair]] 17:43, 15 January 2009 (CST)
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| ==== Shifting Tactics Checked Locations ====
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| '''Towns:'''
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| * Al-Arqas
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| * Crater Village
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| * Danby's Outpost
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| * Mountain Retreat
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| * Neydisa Castle
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| * Sawato
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| * Tufa
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| * Uziz
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| * Wai Jhou
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| '''POIs:'''
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| * Abandoned Sho Outpost (34.4S,64.7E)
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| * Abandoned Tower and Temples (36.3S,64.9E)
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| * Advocate/Sentinel statues - Cragstone, Hebian-To, Zaihkal
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| * Archmage and LS (37.7N,1.2W)
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| * Asheron's Isle - Asheron's Castle, Bay area, southern mountain.
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| * Banderling Treehouse (43.9N,10.8E)
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| * Bandit Fort (24.7S,52.7E)
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| * Black Hill/Lich Tower (OP)
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| * Brontynn Marshid (10.3S,57.6E)
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| * Cataracts of Sabella
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| * Chapel Blackspire
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| * Cragstone fallen shadow spire (both sections)
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| * Cragstone Waterfall
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| * Crater at 26.1S 51.3E
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| * Crystal Mines Entrance floating platforms
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| * Eastham Beach
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| * Empyrean Pillar (25.9S,49.9E)
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| * Empyrean Power Station (38.6N,9.7E) and nearby Nuhmudira LS and pond area.
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| * Empyrean Ruin (26S,56.2E)
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| * Gelidite Standing Stone - Neydisa
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| * Grearrk Mosswart Emissary (29S,58.2E)
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| * Hill of Panes
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| * Ice Golem Gathering - 63N, 8.1W & 61.5N, 10.2W
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| * Isle Of Tears
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| * Imuth Maer Doquin and Mosswart Tower/Bunker area (11.8S,58.2E)
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| * Mosswart Tower (27.1S,57.7E)
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| * Mt. Lethe and Mt. Lethe Crater
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| * Mt. Alphus and Mt. Syliph
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| * Northern Pass Watchtower (52N,3.1E)
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| * Sleepless Sentinels
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| * Small Black Hill (Near Wai Jhou)
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| * Swamp Rat Bunker (26.2S,57.8E) and nearby LS and archmage
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| * Undead Shrine (51.9N,0.6E)
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| * Undead Shrine (55N,3.5W) and nearby portal crater.
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| * Unfriendly Barkeeper (25.3S,56.6E)
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| * Zombie Camp (24.9S,49.4E)
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| '''Dungeons:'''
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| * Asheron's Sanctum
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| * Lakeside Lair (on Eastham Beach)
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| * Dungeon of Shadows (near Cragstone)
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