Talk:Spells

Listing of Cantrips

I believe I have a solution for the listing of cantrips. We will simply use the same system as my standard spell sorting system. Every cantrip, regardless of what cantrip tier/category it belongs to, will redirect to a page for the stat it effects.

So for example - Minor Focus, Moderate Focus, Major Focus, Epic Focus, Brilliance, Concentration, and any other spell that effects focus and stacks with standard spells will redirect to [[Focus (Cantrip)]]. We will then need to create a page template for cantrips, but it is on this page that we would list the full stacking effects. --An Adventurer 15:22, 15 November 2008 (CST)

I've found some cantrips that have spell entries already, like Prodigal Strength. I went ahead and redirected Prodigal Strength to Strength (Cantrip), and also copied the spell description, etc... over to that page. Can you take a look and make sure this is how we want to do it before I start migrating all these spells over? Perhaps we should come up with a standardized Cantrip Template before moving all these over.

Also, I think the Spell Stacking section that is currently on the Strength page, might get lost in the shuffle if we are using both pages to track Spell Stacking. Perhaps we should put Spell Stacking on the Strength (Spell) page and Cantrip Stacking on the Strength (Cantrip) page. This way we can just link to both from the Strength page, and its easier to update in the future. What do you think? --Atarax 11:45, 18 December 2008 (CST)

My thoughts are this: Every standard spell and anything that is in the same category (ie: Tusker beers, forges in towns, etc) will redirect to that spells page, such as Strength (Spell). All cantrips, regardless of how they stack, will redirect to the cantrip page. Standard spell stacking is listed on the spell page, cantrip stacking is listed on the cantrip page. This way, each attribute/skill/stat will only require 2 spell pages, standard spell and cantrip. Both pages will link to each other. The attribute/skill/stat page links to the spell/cantrip pages. The standard name will be a disambiguation page, for example, Strength will have links to Strength (Attribute), Strength (Spell), and Strength (Cantrip).

I am going to continue working on the redirects in the Sandbox. One important thing to note, if you make redirects. On the whatlinkshere page, redirects are listed in the order they were created. So please create redirects in this order: other 1-8, self 1-8. For cantrips, I would redirect them in this order: minor, mod, major, epic, rare, then any quest/unique cantrips should be created in the order they were added to the game. If you make a mistake, I would think deleting the pages and recreating the redirects should fix it, but I have not tested this yet.

We will need a standard cantrip template, but it is not currently needed to make redirects. For now, just list the spell names and descriptions on the cantrip page if you feel it is needed. --An Adventurer 12:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

Not sure if this helps or not, but I did some searching about the order of WhatLinksHere. Aparantly you can edit includes/(special/)SpecialWhatlinkshere.php to add an ORDER BY clause to the query, which will allow us to sort all WhatLinksHere pages by name instead of ID. Not sure if you have access to do that, but it might be worth trying because I forsee that in the future there won't be an easy way to keep them all organized in order. Alternatively, perhaps this MediaWiki Extension might do the job? --Atarax 15:53, 18 December 2008 (CST)

I have access to the SpecialWhatLinksHere.php file, but I do not know how to edit it, or what to change within it. edit: scratch that, I can open it with word, but still not sure what to do with it. I see there is an $options['ORDER BY'] = 'page_id'; line, I assume I would change that, but not sure. Mind adding the link? --An Adventurer 16:11, 18 December 2008 (CST)

Here are the available fields you can order by. Try using page_title, it seems to be what we're looking for. --Atarax 16:35, 18 December 2008 (CST)

I've made a copy of the file and I'll upload it now. If it breaks whatlinkshere pages I'll restore it ;) edit: might have to wait a bit, having trouble with the host right now, pages are not loading correctly. Will try again later today. --An Adventurer 13:36, 19 December 2008 (CST)

Spells as Entries

I have come up with a solution to finding spells on items. Every spell listed on an item will be a link. By going to the spell's page, you can click on the what links here to find all items with that spell. The task now is to update all old items, and also create spell pages. --An Adventurer 19:48, 20 October 2008 (CDT)

Update: Standard Spell Template is complete. The Sandbox is currently being used to create redirect pages for all standard spells. --An Adventurer 15:22, 15 November 2008 (CST)

Old Discussion

Should we change the quest spell section to link to the category, quest spell? Quest Spells --Jedismj 01:02, 31 August 2008 (CDT)

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The format looks great, very clean and readable. --Tlosk 08:52, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

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Gouru Format for Critter spells look good to me. Please be sure to login when doing edits :)