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== Celcynd == | == Celcynd == | ||
Some years prior to 10 PY, Harlune lived in Arwic.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Water of Mount Lethe]]: [[The Reclusive Mage]] text</ref> Before he was known as Harlune the Misanthrope, he was Harlune of Arwic.<ref name=BarkeepRicetha>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Barkeep Ricetha]] dialog</ref> Harlune was a famous mage, and many young mages came to hime seeking apprenticeship.<ref name=BarkeepRicetha /> The only pupil he took on was Celcynd.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage /><ref name=BarkeepRicetha /> | Celcynd stated that, when he was younger, he found adventure in the area around Rithwic.<ref name=MindorlasLetterCelcyndsDialog>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Mindorla's Letter]]: [[Celcynd the Dour|Celcynd]] dialog</ref> | ||
Some years prior to 10 PY, Harlune lived in Arwic.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Water of Mount Lethe]]: [[The Reclusive Mage]] text</ref> Before he was known as [[Harlune the Misanthrope]], he was Harlune of Arwic.<ref name=BarkeepRicetha>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Barkeep Ricetha]] dialog</ref> Harlune was a famous mage, and many young mages came to hime seeking apprenticeship.<ref name=BarkeepRicetha /> The only pupil he took on was Celcynd.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage /><ref name=BarkeepRicetha /> | |||
Celcynd was the first Isparian to master Empyrean planar magic.<ref name=OfCelcyndTheDour /><ref name=TheReclusiveMage /><ref name=HistoryOfAubereanVol5 /> Celcynd mastered planar magic after becoming Harlune's apprentice,<ref name=TheReclusiveMage /> but it is unclear if he learned planar magic during his apprenticeship, possibly with the help of Harlune, or after his apprenticeship. What is known is that he scibed these planar spells for Harlune, but Harlune considered them to be more trouble than they were worth, and he locked them away.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage /> Harlune later moved to the Mite Maze, to avoid any more would-be apprentices.<ref name=TheReclusiveMage /> | |||
Harlune once referred to Celcynd as "the planar mage from Rithwic," and that he had borrowed one of his [[The Reign of Alfrega|history books]] a few years back from 10 PY.<ref name=WaterOfMountLetheHarlunesRetiredDialog>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Water of Mount Lethe]]: [[Harlune the Misanthrope|Harlune]] retired dialog</ref> | Harlune once referred to Celcynd as "the planar mage from Rithwic," and that he had borrowed one of his [[The Reign of Alfrega|history books]] a few years back from 10 PY.<ref name=WaterOfMountLetheHarlunesRetiredDialog>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Water of Mount Lethe]]: [[Harlune the Misanthrope|Harlune]] retired dialog</ref> Harlune also stated that Celcynd was once the greatest of his generation.<ref name=WaterOfMountLetheHarlunesRetiredDialog /> | ||
Celcynd | [[Wylreda the Scribe|Wylreda]], the scribe of Rithwic, described Celcynd as "Celcynd the Dour, mage of Rithwic," in her text ''Of Celcynd the Dour'' written circa 10 PY.<ref name=OfCelcyndTheDour /> | ||
Tazal al-Ashfai, a planar mage near Al-Jalima, called Celcynd his old colleague.<ref name=TazalAlAshfai>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Tazal al-Ashfai]] dialog</ref> | [[Tazal al-Ashfai]], a planar mage near Al-Jalima, called Celcynd his old colleague.<ref name=TazalAlAshfai>1999/11 [[Release]] - [[Tazal al-Ashfai]] dialog</ref> | ||
== Rithwic == | == Rithwic == | ||
Revision as of 14:31, 18 August 2019
There are some inconsistencies related to the seige of Holtburg, the rescue by Celcynd, and the founding of Rithwic.
Holtburg
Holtburg was founded in 2 PY[1][2] In 6 PY, Tumeroks besieged the town.[3][4][5][6] Most of the population retreated to the Holtburg Redoubt, where they were slain by the Tumeroks.[3][4][6] The children were rescued by the mage Celcynd.[3][4][6][7][8][9][10][11] The children escaped through a summoned portal to Rithwic.[7][8]
Children known to have been saved are:
Adults known to have been killed are:
- Brogord the Forester, father of Flinrala Ryndmad.[9]
- Mother of Worcer.[9][8]
- Father of Worcer.[9][8]
Adults assumed to have been killed are:
- Ryndya, mother of Flinrala Ryndmad.[12]
- Roland, father of Hardunna.[9][7]
- Hope, mother of Hardunna.[9][7]
Some sources say all the adults were killed.[3][7] Other sources say many (but not all) of the adults were killed,[6] or imply that some of the adults survived.[10]
The age of the children is also somewhat unclear. Flinrala Ryndmad once said that, when her father was killed, she was just a babe in swaddling.[13] Flinrala also said that her father was going to make her an axe of her own, as soon as she was big enough to hold one.[14] Worcer and Hardunna referred to themselves as a "boy" and a "girl" at the time of the attacks.[9][8][7]
Celcynd
Celcynd stated that, when he was younger, he found adventure in the area around Rithwic.[15]
Some years prior to 10 PY, Harlune lived in Arwic.[16] Before he was known as Harlune the Misanthrope, he was Harlune of Arwic.[17] Harlune was a famous mage, and many young mages came to hime seeking apprenticeship.[17] The only pupil he took on was Celcynd.[16][17]
Celcynd was the first Isparian to master Empyrean planar magic.[11][16][6] Celcynd mastered planar magic after becoming Harlune's apprentice,[16] but it is unclear if he learned planar magic during his apprenticeship, possibly with the help of Harlune, or after his apprenticeship. What is known is that he scibed these planar spells for Harlune, but Harlune considered them to be more trouble than they were worth, and he locked them away.[16] Harlune later moved to the Mite Maze, to avoid any more would-be apprentices.[16]
Harlune once referred to Celcynd as "the planar mage from Rithwic," and that he had borrowed one of his history books a few years back from 10 PY.[18] Harlune also stated that Celcynd was once the greatest of his generation.[18]
Wylreda, the scribe of Rithwic, described Celcynd as "Celcynd the Dour, mage of Rithwic," in her text Of Celcynd the Dour written circa 10 PY.[11]
Tazal al-Ashfai, a planar mage near Al-Jalima, called Celcynd his old colleague.[19]
Rithwic
Rithwic was settled in 7 PY.[20][21] It was originally a small stonemason's hamlet.[20]
Brentsella and others used to live in the Old Warehouse.[22][23] It is implied that Celcynd may have lived there as well.[23]
Analysis
Holtburg
Holtburg's founding in 2 PY has no conflicts with other information, and makes sense in the larger picture, as Aluvians didn't settle outside of the Underground City until 0 PY, after the defeat of the Olthoi Queen.
Likewise, the seige of Holtburg occurring in 6 PY does not have any direct conflicts. We have multiple sources from release giving it that date, and it was reiterated later in The History of Auberean. The only potential conflict is that this was supposed to take place in the era before lifestones, so the deaths were permanent. But that is a topic for another article.
Our first conflict is with the death total. The historical marker states that the people of Holtburg were slaughtered in the redoubt, and only the children were spared. Hardunna's retired dialog also stated that all of the adults died in the redoubt. The text Of Celcynd the Dour also states the adults were unable to be saved.
However, the text Directions to the Holtburg Redoubt states that most of the population retreated into the redoubt, implying that some chose to hide elsewhere or flee. In the text A Crabbed Note, Harlune writes to Celcynd that he has heard the people of Holtburg praising Celcynd for saving their children. This again implies that some adults survived. And later on in The History of Auberean it states that many adults died, again implying some survived.
Finally, we have conflicts with the children themselves. Flinrala describes herself in 6 PY as an infant, and again describes herself as not big enough to wield an axe. Worcer calls himself a boy, Hardunna calls herself a girl, and in general, the survivors are referred to multiple times as children. The issue with this is that these are descriptions of these characters in 6 PY, and the game starts in 10 PY. When players were first able to interact with these NPCs, they have the appearance of adults, and their dialog does not indicate that they are still children.
Celcynd
Rithwic
Conclusion
References
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Asheron's Call Manual: Holtburg
- ↑ 2010/06 Shifting Gears - Town Network: Holtburg (Town Network Sign) description
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 1999/11 Release - Worcer's Missing Heirlooms: Historical Marker description
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 1999/11 Release - Worcer's Missing Heirlooms: Directions to the Holtburg Redoubt text
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Brogord's Demise: Directions to the Cave of Alabree text
- ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 2003/03 A Perfect Paradox - The History of Auberean: Volume V: New Arrivals (-540 to 13)
- ↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 1999/11 Release - Worcer's Missing Heirlooms: Hardunna's retired dialog
- ↑ 8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 1999/11 Release - Worcer's Missing Heirlooms: Worcer's retired dialog
- ↑ 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 9.6 2004/12 The Calm - Worcer's Missing Heirlooms: Worcer's dialog
- ↑ 10.0 10.1 1999/11 Release - Water of Mount Lethe: A Crabbed Note text
- ↑ 11.0 11.1 11.2 1999/11 Release - Water of Mount Lethe: Of Celcynd the Dour text
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Brogord's Demise: Letter to Ryndya text
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Brogord's Demise: Flinrala Ryndmad's retired dialog
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Brogord's Demise: Flinrala Ryndmad's dialog
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Mindorla's Letter: Celcynd dialog
- ↑ 16.0 16.1 16.2 16.3 16.4 16.5 1999/11 Release - Water of Mount Lethe: The Reclusive Mage text
- ↑ 17.0 17.1 17.2 1999/11 Release - Barkeep Ricetha dialog
- ↑ 18.0 18.1 1999/11 Release - Water of Mount Lethe: Harlune retired dialog
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - Tazal al-Ashfai dialog
- ↑ 20.0 20.1 1999/11 Release - Asheron's Call Manual: Rithwic
- ↑ 2010/06 Shifting Gears - Town Network: Rithwic (Town Network Sign) description
- ↑ 1999/11 Release - The Old Warehouse: Brentsella dialog
- ↑ 23.0 23.1 1999/11 Release - The Old Warehouse: Warehouse Directions text